congress, as john mccain likes to say, when congress is at 14% approval rating, they're down to close relatives and paid staff. >> i want to find the 14%. >> friends and family, that's all. >> 81% disapprove. and then on the republican party, 49% have a negative view of the republican party. just 26% positive. that's their highest negative number since back in 2008, the year president obama first got elected. democrats not doing much better, but better, 38% view the democratic party negatively. so gene, the president's had a pretty good time politically since the election. republicans are starting to figure out how to come back. to the extent republicans have leverage in the upcoming talks, particularly on fiscal issues, where do you think their leverage lies given how unpopular they are and how unpopular congress is? >> well, i think they have less leverage than some people think they have. i mean, i think it would be, frankly, another disaster if republicans try to use the debt ceiling, to force dollar-for-dollar budget reductions. i don't see that as a winner for them, and i can't